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1. I can't speak about the rest of the world,only about where I come from. And what I see is more and more baptisms and smaller and smaller congregations. To me Baptism without evangelisation is meaningless. Baptism without faith commitment is,in my view, no Baptism at all. The faithful of the early Church would have made no sense at all of the idea that,after going through a few formalities,Baptism would automatically ensue and those involved would not be seen again until they surfaced when presenting their children for further sacramental initiation,followed by the same disappearing act.For the love of the people and their dear children,let us all embark on a real program of evengelisation,genuinely calling all to the wonderful richness which awaits them when they give their lives to Christ.

   Posted By: Paul Gleeson

2. Fr Kung seems to be the one "floundering" and with a "bleak future" for his "sect" composed of those "Catholics" who thought they could invent their own dogmas and throw out any Catholic dogmas they don't like. He's projecting this onto the Church and onto B16 who has shown him nothing but kindness.

   Posted By: Ronk

3. While studying in Rome 1988/9/90 I did a regular locum for the Parish Priest of Thamesmead in the Archdiocese of Southwark during the Roman Universtity holidays. Every second Sunday a Co- Celebration of Catholic Mass and Anglican Holy Communion was held. Two Altars facing the Congregation about two metres apart were in place in the jointly owned Parish Hall. We celebrated using the Roman Missal, we said the Eucharistic Prayer in unison, we took turnabout to lead the Common and to Preach. The respective Archbishops had appoval from appropriate authorities, which of course for the Catholic meant Rome. This was regarded as experimental the arrangement continued for many years.
   

   Posted By: John Ryan

4. My comment is really about your banner that the Church is 'closing' on 5,000 bishops- What in the world has happened? Anarchy en masse from our bishops/
   
   But as the subject of the Maitland- newcastle news is still open here is my tuppence worth.
   
   !.We recognise Anglican Baptism as valid- just refer to the RCIA for support for this statement.
   2. We recognise Marriage in the Anglican Church as valid- just try and arrange a marriage of a Catholic and a divorced Anglican and see the hoops that need to be cleared.
   3. So if we recognise Anglican Baptism why not Confirmation , the completion of Baptism.
   
   in response to another writer, Confirmation in our Catholic Church, apart from the Easter Vigil is most often conferred putside of Mass.

   Posted By: annac

5. Paul Gleeson is undoubtedly quite right that it is time for a more thorough evangelisation in Sacramental preparation.How often I have felt like getting up at a group baptism of children and reminding the friends and relatives present that the Sacrament being administered is HOLY,is AWESOME,and calls for REVERENCE.But if the Parish Celebrant doesn't do anything about the situation,I suppose I'd be overstepping the mark. Or would I? Does the Layperson,who loves Christ not stand up and say defend the holiness of the Sacrament? Please enlighten me!

   Posted By: M.M.

6. Ronk's criticism of Hans Kung is completely off the mark. One of the most awesome Catholic theologians ever, a peritus of Vatican II, gave Joseph Ratzinger his job at the University of Tubingen, neither opposes Faith dogmas nor belongs to a sect, and who has done more for ecumenism and understanding amongst religions than anyone I know. Perhaps Ronk also knows that many of our Saints were excommunicated by Rome, etc..... Ronk, you owe the man an apology and should perhaps act in a more Christ-like way.

   Posted By: Peter Meury

7. Peter Meury, I know of at least two dogmas which Kung denies: Papal infallibility, and the immorality of contraception. He has reaffirmed these denials in several of his books. If you claim he has publicly retracted these heterodox beliefs, please refer us to these retractions.
   
   Kung is a Catholic, and he may still be a theologian, but he is not "a Catholic theologian", regardless of how "awesome" you find him. The Church has prohibited him from teaching in any Catholic institution because of his recalcitrant promotion of heterodox beliefs.
   
   And would you please name just one of these "many" mysterious Saints whom you claim "were excommunicated by Rome"??

   Posted By: Ronk

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